jayeoba peter
@peters active 7 years, 6 months ago-
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Actually I left a comment at your post about Hadrian’s Wall. I did not realize you had also posted about Trump’s Wall. The comment applies here too. I’m not repeating myself because, in my humble opinion, even though I said it, it does not bear repeating. 🙂
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That’s cute…now I have to run over to the other post to read what you posted.
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He just leave people speechless (not in a good way)
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The wall is one of the cornerstones of Donald Trump’s campaign, if not the sole consistency. Ever since he uttered those magical words, the wall has grown into a rallying cry for his supporters.
Donald Trump has promoted a xenophobic immigration policy from the outset of his presidential campaign. He declared that Mexico was exporting “criminals,” “killers,” “rapists” and “drug dealers” to the United States.
To deal with this situation, Trump announced he would build a wall along the Mexic0-U.S. border, for which he would force Mexico to pay costs.As with most Trump proposals to “make America great again,” he has been long on promises and short on details. In the months since the official launch of his campaign on June 17, 2015, however, journalists have forced him into giving some details of the wall he envisions.
Trump’s wall typifies his governing ideas and tactics. He has simply tossed out a thought without carefully thinking it through. As a result, it is unrealistic and unworkable. It would likely cause more harm than good.
No informed person believes any good could come from such a wall, although there is no shortage of bad things that could occur.
Nor is there public clamor for such a draconian sealing of our southern border. According to the latest Pew Research Poll, only about a third of Americans support the idea of a wall, with Republicans predominantly favoring it.
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So did Hadrian’s Wall actually separate the Romans from the barbarians? I mean … did it serve its purpose? Because our country is supposedly getting ready to build a wall too. So I’m just wondering. (O.o) Because if A WALL really can keep out illegals trying to slip in unlawfully from other countries instead of going through our legal immigration process and can also keep out invaders from hostile territories, then do it! You won’t get no argument from me, Mr. T.
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Many historians believe it was more a deterrent and fear tactic. There were a few forts attached. It was to be awesome.
The problem is not that the illegals come in, it is that many get jobs. Many are hired, paid a smalls and it is those who hire them that should be targeted. If the jobs dry up then the immigration would drop.
Look at Australia.
Everyone cursed them, but the boats of refugees go to niaru. So who wants to go there? So only people really fleeing for their lives would think of going.
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It’s not just about illegals getting jobs. (Although I know that’s what you hear a lot of folks say.) It’s way more than that.
BORDER SECURITY is an item that should be always be on every President’s Top 10 Hot Buttons Fast Track List.
I don’t even like the former Texas Governor Rick Perry. But I agree with him on this. It is very important that a country secures its borders. All kinds of stuff and people carrying that stuff come across the borders. Sometimes people come in as a mule carrying contraband. Some people could be bringing a disease with them. Some folks are criminals on the run! And some are terrorists!
So it’s not just about low wage jobs at McDonalds.
IT REALLY IS ABOUT NATIONAL SECURITY.
So the questions are:
~ Is a wall in the interests of national security?
~ Will a wall really and truly make our borders secure?
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The point is, for efficacy, is to be able to distinguish those who are just coming for jobs from those who are terrorists/criminals.
Many agencies was a lot of man power and funds chasing people who are no threat. So if there can be an end to the employment so that the agency can be 89% sure that this guy has come here for a nefarious purpose, well, they won’t be running down the guy with five kids who is in the US to work and send money home.
As you have seen, many Islamic Terrorists hide in a crowd of refugees. As one thinks they are refugees… well you seen the trucks riding into crowds.
The problem that any country faces is being overwhelmed and having their resources stretched. By ending the illegal employment that ends the ‘decent’ illegal alien and leaves the ‘indecent’ which makes it easier.
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Oh..very sorry about the demise. Even in India there are certain places where the people traditional practices instead of science. They approach these magic people time and again for each and everything. Interesting these people want to gain popularity giving Advertisements on TV channels. There are various kinds of Heelers, Astrologers, Religious practitioners, Sorcerers, Wiccans, black magicians appear regularly on tV channel at an appropriate time.
When they are perfect why they need these advertisements for their treatments?
People do not think on these lines and approach them.
It has become more among the youth as I have seen them personally approaching them for a study abroad and for getting employment abroad.
But, after coming out of the Hut, or the place of the sorcerer they laugh at him/her and make silly comments. I really wonder why they are becoming self-deceptive and unable to express their opinion freely.-
It is ridiculous when a person goes to a professional and ignores the advice or doesn’t inform them of the situation and relies on Obeah. It makes no sense, only makes the Obeah worker rich.
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Oh that is so sad. Here too , some people before going to the doctor would go to a quack doctor first to know what’s ailing them. They only go to the doctor when the quack doctor can’t make them well.
And when they go well after consulting the quack doctor, they would be a big believer of him and would go to him always for consultation of what ails them.
Though sometimes, it’s the monetary aspect , which proves to be so much cheaper that makes them go to a quack doctor instead.
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I’ve heard of the incident henry Wilson’s when he were doing all the killing, but I didn’t know someone ward doing a repeat of him. That’s usually how serial killers work they Always try and replay an event that already took place.
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he didn’t kill them. He forced them to have sex with him. If they didn’t have sex with him, they didn’t get the parts.
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In the International Relations, decisions are taken in regard to certain issues with broad perspective keeping the analysis reports and reactions received from various countries. Before making open a decision a country should see the reactions, effects, and its consequences of it on other countries and at least on the neighboring countries.
The decision of the German Chancellor to open the gates liberally with a human touch for the Syrian refugees might have gained popularity and made the country ‘more-safe-to-stay’ on the planet Earth if the rest of the EU countries accepted and welcomed the decision with a philanthropic approach. But, the situation was not congenial for other EU Nations to accept such decision.
There were continuous terrorist attacks and bombing in many EU Nations. The reason for such attack starting from Charlie Hebido were all, it seems, directed towards terrorizing the EU Nations not to allow the Syrian Refugees into their respective countries which were countered by the Germany by liberally allowing entry to Syrian Refugees in millions. The Germany took a decision quite contrary and unacceptable to the other E.U. Nations. It should have studied the situation and would have obtained the opinion of the other EU Nations.
But, the U.S from the beginning has viewed the entire situation with a suspicion and started delaying the draft guidelines in allowing the immigrants which never took any final shape and gave an opportunity to Mr. Trump to cash upon during the U.S Presidential elections. He made his statements quite in line with those of the remaining EU Nations which assured the safety of the Europe if he is elected as the President of the U.S.
Mrs. Clinton could not see the effect of the statements of Mr. Donald and totally avoided the issue without any firm stand on such important issue.-
When one doesn’t ‘read’ the population they are to represent, difficulties arise. Allowing immigration without any plan, just opening gates is not sensible.
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“… the fact that people did not vote for means their vote counted against.” We have had this discussion before and I still respectfully disagree with you on this. 🙂
My first reason for disagreeing is: Hillary Clinton won the popular vote. So when you say vote, which vote are you talking about? The electoral vote or the popular vote? Because if you’re referring to the popular vote, Hillary Clinton should be POTUS. If the people who did not vote had voted for her and she had not gotten the electoral vote she still wouldn’t be president.
My second reason for disagreeing and this is much more important than my first reason: Voting is not the ONLY THING that a citizen can do! It’s as if you believe a person who does not vote is somehow “unpatriotic” and that it’s because of their “non-vote” that a person is now in office who should not be there.
I don’t buy that! Because I have not voted for years. Sometimes the candidate I was in favor of won the election. Sometimes they didn’t! Not voting didn’t me make any less of a patriot. I have survived all of these presidents. Without my vote, America is still standing!
No I did not vote. But I did do and still do my part as an American citizen. I have been an American all my life and a patriot ever since I came to know and understand what it means to an American. So I don’t vote! That doesn’t mean I don’t serve my country.
I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Amen!
* In my lifetime of living in America, I have never seen that many people protesting the results of a presidential election. OK! Protest. Protest. Protest. Trump is still the President. Also, with respect to the “electors” that you say “sat on their vote”, I totally understand and respect their right to choose to sit on it! They voted or rather did not vote, according to their conscience.
* * Last question: Who is the Orange Monster? I’ve never heard that expression.
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You didn’t vote… your vote went to Trump. It is as simple as that. Suppose there are ten people on this site. The choice; limit to three posts a day or not. You don’t vote. I and Cely are the only ones to vote to limit. We ‘win’.
A lot of people say, my vote is not important. If you were in politics you’d understand how important it is to prevent voting. In one election a particular area with over 25k voters ‘elected’ a representative who received 3,635 votes and the other, 3,300. Where were the votes? The Police had scraped up thousands of people and held them in custody beginning the night before until polls closed.
A few months later, during local, where the police were inactive, two counselors from a particular party garnered 15k and 12k each. The other party split the 3,635 votes.
So you, whether you want to appreciate or not. got Trump elected.
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OK. Following your logic: If by NOT voting, my vote went to Trump. Let’s say that’s correct.
Then … what I’m trying to say is that in other previous elections when I also DID NOT VOTE, then my vote also went to whoever won the election.
So since by not voting, somebody became president … and sometimes it was the candidate I thought would make a good president and sometimes it wasn’t … then by not voting … it still mattered what I did! Or rather … what I did NOT do.
I have lived through all the presidencies where I did not vote. None of those president stopped me from being an American. None of them made me want to leave my country. Every last one of them made decisions I did not agree with, even if it was a candidate I favored!! Hey! Can’t please everybody.
For all of that, America did not crumble like the Roman Empire (which is always predicted because of how sinful a people we are). I’m confident that I will survive Trump’s presidency too! (If God spares my life.)
I don’t have any high expectations of Trump making America great again. But I also don’t feel desperation, doom and despair and envision a future where Trump has ripped the fabric of America and torn the country apart, dividing US and causing another Civil War!
Oh please! It’s just Donald Trump. Who do people think he is? Thor, the thunder god or Zeus or something? Respectfully … back to you.
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In Jamaica, we sat on our votes, the JLP came into office. There was a very low turn out. In America it is clear the non-voters who ‘would have’ voted for Clinton but didn’t, thinking that their vote ‘didn’t matter’ proved it did.
Most people do not yet appreciate the Trump Presidency. For example, it is beyond question that at least 3x the crowd was at Obama’s inauguration, yet Trump and his troop can look straight in the camera and turn it obverse.
That a ‘spokeswoman’ can talk about ‘Alternative Facts’.
Of course Presidents have lied, but not so boldly. And of course there has always been attempts at mind control, but not as powerfully as today.
The attacks on the Press are especially scary.
The world is reassessing its relationship with America. It really is not business as usual.
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Of course, it’s just speculation on my part, but I’m not at all certain that the non-voters would have voted for Hillary Clinton. There were other candidates on the ballot.
Appreciate the Trump Presidency? At the rate things are going, I think “most people” are going to spend their time either arguing about it, protesting it – physically and “symbolically”, filing lawsuits about it, on and on and on. Whew! We are in for a rough 4 years.
Regards lies and mind control? Lying is one thing. Signing a lie into law is another. I say Trump can’t so easily do that! Mind control? What’s he gonna do? Hypnotize US?
That Trump ‘spokeswoman’ is unbelievable, isn’t she? And you know what? I actually think she believes the words that come out of her mouth! (O.o)
The attacks on the Press? From what I’ve seen of our American Press, they can take care of themselves. Don’t even think you’re going to shut them up! We have dedicated investigative reporters and journalists that are worth ten times their weight in gold. Historical note: It was our Press that broke the Watergate Scandal. Freedom of the Press is a very strong thread in our country’s tapestry.
The world is reassessing its relationship with America? Our allies ain’t going nowhere. They’re going to sweat out the next 4 years, right along with the citizens of this nation.
OK! I’m an optimist. Sue me! 🙂 😀 🙂
(Thanks for continuing to engage me in this conversation. I really need some place to get this off my chest.)
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I agree… that spokes woman and her ‘alternative facts’… that knocked me across the room. If there is a ‘vote’ to be taken, whether at the dining room table, or in a national election and you ‘abstain’, then whatever the majority choses, even if the ‘majority’ of voters is a minority, wins.
Now he’s stepping on the native Americans with the pipeline because he’s getting his kick back.
People want this to happen. They can’t shake their heads and say not me…
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During recent US Presidential elections, only 57.9% have voted and the remaining have not voted does not mean that the remaining are 42.1% are against Mr. Trump. So much so it is also not true that they are in favor of Hillary. This is the percentage of people who evinced little interest in the Elections.
Choosing a candidate for the post of President became a challenge for the U.S voters. They did not want to vote as a protest against Mr. Trump does not carry any meaning. In a Democracy, each and every voter is expected to avail the opportunity of voting. If he does not, it only disappoints the result of the Election. The Voter should be aware of it. If he is not, he must be made to known of the consequences it will have on the Election Result. The Government should educate the people in this aspect and try to see that as many voters exercise their voting rights as possible for a transparent result.
This clearly shows that the Government has not enlightened the U.S voters on this aspect and took any measures and was watching the campaigns and kept itself busy with the remarks and statements in the Newspapers.
The sector wise result will make result but not the number of votes. It is always there. Mrs. Hillary might have got number of votes than Mr. Trump but this is not the deciding factor. It is only the number of Segments that they have won in a sector that decides the winning candidate. So, it is not appropriate to say that Mr. Trump is not having any supporters and the election process itself is wrong.
Finally, it is not appropriate to say that many of the voters did not vote and were carried away by the remarks against Mrs. Hillary it implies that they are not favoring Mrs. Hillary and want to give an opportunity to Mr. Trump.
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When you don’t vote; unless it is a Tweedledee/Tweedledum then you effectively deny a vote to a candidate. When the voting is below 75% every vote not cast matters. It is a very simple equation.
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Looks like I’ve run out of space for additional remarks. Let’s finish this discussion in the group “Anything Over Coffee”. Have a humorous look at a humorous link I’d like to share with you. Started a discussion called “Trump Tweets – A continuing discussion”. It’s serious but I hope it makes you laugh too. 🙂
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Meant to start the discussion in one group (“Anything Over Coffee”) but noticed that it is in another group “Making Money Online” (a group that I don’t normally start discussions in). I would have preferred to have it in the group I mentioned. Nevertheless, since it’s there in that group, I am noting it here, just in case somebody comes here, then goes to the WRONG GROUP and can’t find the continuation of our discussion.
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I did find it odd it was in the wrong place… but did find it
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It’s my work habit. I am constantly clicking stuff and working in between tabs. You think you’re at one spot but you’re on another tab or in a new window in another spot. I sometimes have 10 to 12 tabs open at a time. My browser usually freezes all the screens and stops responding. Then I have close everything and start all over!
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I downloaded a little monitor which is at the top of my screen and when it goes to red I clear memory and shut windows.
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The end of the matter is: Mr Trump fought and won fair and square. Next time for the Liberal leftists, fight harder (within the Law) and vote.
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Let’s face it; the Lowest Common Denominator rules. The stupidest kid in the class controls the lesson, the slowest guy on the work floor controls the output, and Trump controls the minds of his supporters. People didn’t vote, and they got what the duck got.
We, in the rest of the world, are enjoying the show.
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Nice words. Quite entertaining. The mainstream media that has gone totalitarian with the far Left liberal-democrats are panicking. Their control of the “production of unaware and compliant citizenry” (Podesta’s exchanging words with Clinton camp)is quite revealing for an exposed ‘Master Plan’.
Yes, stupidity has really gotten out of hand with the Left.
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I must say I so agree with you on this. Even just attending mass and hearing a phone ringing is one rudeness to the high level, because at the start of the mass everyone is told to turn off their cellphones. Not only did you disrespect the mass and the clergy but also God himself, when you didn’t turn off that phone.
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I am amazed at anyone who could walk in with their phone on. The rudeness is incredible.
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There are so many and mean people this time regardless of age and gender all over the world.In school where I teach , so many students who no longer greet a teacher meet anywhere in the campus especially those whose grades are not better,of course, they are the one creating their grade.Teachers only teach and give them grades.Gone are those days when we always witness polite and respectful young and old.
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I think, making these children good mannered is also up to the teachers they interact with. The teachers should initiate in teaching them good manners and be inculcating within them what the teachers teach.
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We were taught, when I was in school, to stand if the Principal entered, to be polite to our teachers. This has gone away. Manners are not being taught and people bobble about in their own little worlds
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Yes, we are taught that too. And it means the teacher should be strict that this is being followed by the students. Sometimes, the teacher is to blame because they are lenient.
Rudeness should be corrected at the instance that a teacher observed a student does it.
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You are correct. How else would someone learn if they aren’t taught? How would a child know about manners if they were taught at home? The school has to insure this.
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The teacher should see to it that the students are well mannered. They are the authority in school and they should be followed.
Or maybe the school should impose good manners in every student make a strict implementation as to the violation being sanctioned if ever done by a student or even by the teachers.
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Silence is Gold as the saying goes. But, how long one should allow such people who bark in loud and stick to their own ideas without any reason. This is the ego problem. They can not be convinced. They do not accept. Even if one shows the proof with documentary evidence or practical proof they attributing the reason for some other thing and do not accept the mistake with their opinion or idea.
How to calm them down? This is one of the problems we come across in a society either with the people or in a group of friends.
The only way is to avoid them as the people say. But, just by avoiding these people we are allowing them to become made as they can not be in the company of anybody and
may suffer from mental illness which is not advisable.
What is the remedy then? The remedy lies in giving a patient hearing to such people reserving and analyzing our own views as sometimes the mistake lies with us also. In between the discussion try to ask him to give his opinion on the observation you have made after he stops speaking. This is the best way I have tried in a dynamic organization.-
The response is… silence and removal. I don’t need to argue with people who hold to a unsupported opinion which they become rabid about. They don’t want to discuss they want to expel their views.
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I won’t bother again to tell those people I have warned before over something that they insist they know better. These people knows that you are right but won’t budge to heed you because it would appear that you are better than them. They are arrogant and incorrigible , so why bother again , anyway.
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that is right. They know better… fine… make their own mistakes.
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Even me,I will not bother to argue with people,Its a waste of time.You will never win specially if you are dealing with bipolar or close minded people.Right they are arrogant and uncontrollable.They will never give you the chance to speak up,because they know that you now better than them.Just ignore and leave them. This is the right thing to do with this kind of people.
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Exactly. They think they know… fine… I am not arguing.
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LOL. I love that Jamaican expression! 🙂 I remember one of my brothers once said: “You know you can learn a lot from watching a fool. You can learn how not to be a fool!” 🙂 Similar to the point of your post.
Sometimes though, it’s hard not to argue back. It takes a great deal of self-control. But over the years I have learned how to restrain myself. That’s not to say I don’t let an outburst slip, every now and then. But if a person is worked up about something that they are to the point of arguing over it … try to listen to them. Their words may be harsh. They may be abrasive. But they might also be saying something that make sense! If they are just talking crap, then you can dump it from your brain. No point retaining it, if it’s useless! 🙂
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A friend of mine who had been under pressure suddenly went insane when discussing an international issue which did not effect us at all. I said nothing. When he finished I said nothing. My expression had not changed.
There is a difference in a discussion and an argument.
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What’s the point of arguing when you are never going come to a resolution. Don’t waste your time
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That is true, mismanagement is always the cause of every issue of business ‘ failure. Those who failed lack experience and capital, so ty better do not gamble to avoid trouble .
Running a business requires a certain skill set. Many people don’t know that
That is true.When you deal with business make sure that you have the expertise, do not just open p a business because you envy others, you will never succeed.Those business people engage with business for many years and those new may find it hard to prospers.It takes 10 years to become stable in the business you want to explore .
One has to take a business seriously, be alert and committed. Just hiring people to fill posts isn’t enough.