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In the International Relations, decisions are taken in regard to certain issues with broad perspective keeping the analysis reports and reactions received from various countries. Before making open a decision a country should see the reactions, effects, and its consequences of it on other countries and at least on the neighboring countries.
The decision of the German Chancellor to open the gates liberally with a human touch for the Syrian refugees might have gained popularity and made the country ‘more-safe-to-stay’ on the planet Earth if the rest of the EU countries accepted and welcomed the decision with a philanthropic approach. But, the situation was not congenial for other EU Nations to accept such decision.
There were continuous terrorist attacks and bombing in many EU Nations. The reason for such attack starting from Charlie Hebido were all, it seems, directed towards terrorizing the EU Nations not to allow the Syrian Refugees into their respective countries which were countered by the Germany by liberally allowing entry to Syrian Refugees in millions. The Germany took a decision quite contrary and unacceptable to the other E.U. Nations. It should have studied the situation and would have obtained the opinion of the other EU Nations.
But, the U.S from the beginning has viewed the entire situation with a suspicion and started delaying the draft guidelines in allowing the immigrants which never took any final shape and gave an opportunity to Mr. Trump to cash upon during the U.S Presidential elections. He made his statements quite in line with those of the remaining EU Nations which assured the safety of the Europe if he is elected as the President of the U.S.
Mrs. Clinton could not see the effect of the statements of Mr. Donald and totally avoided the issue without any firm stand on such important issue.-
When one doesn’t ‘read’ the population they are to represent, difficulties arise. Allowing immigration without any plan, just opening gates is not sensible.
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“… the fact that people did not vote for means their vote counted against.” We have had this discussion before and I still respectfully disagree with you on this. 🙂
My first reason for disagreeing is: Hillary Clinton won the popular vote. So when you say vote, which vote are you talking about? The electoral vote or the popular vote? Because if you’re referring to the popular vote, Hillary Clinton should be POTUS. If the people who did not vote had voted for her and she had not gotten the electoral vote she still wouldn’t be president.
My second reason for disagreeing and this is much more important than my first reason: Voting is not the ONLY THING that a citizen can do! It’s as if you believe a person who does not vote is somehow “unpatriotic” and that it’s because of their “non-vote” that a person is now in office who should not be there.
I don’t buy that! Because I have not voted for years. Sometimes the candidate I was in favor of won the election. Sometimes they didn’t! Not voting didn’t me make any less of a patriot. I have survived all of these presidents. Without my vote, America is still standing!
No I did not vote. But I did do and still do my part as an American citizen. I have been an American all my life and a patriot ever since I came to know and understand what it means to an American. So I don’t vote! That doesn’t mean I don’t serve my country.
I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Amen!
* In my lifetime of living in America, I have never seen that many people protesting the results of a presidential election. OK! Protest. Protest. Protest. Trump is still the President. Also, with respect to the “electors” that you say “sat on their vote”, I totally understand and respect their right to choose to sit on it! They voted or rather did not vote, according to their conscience.
* * Last question: Who is the Orange Monster? I’ve never heard that expression.
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You didn’t vote… your vote went to Trump. It is as simple as that. Suppose there are ten people on this site. The choice; limit to three posts a day or not. You don’t vote. I and Cely are the only ones to vote to limit. We ‘win’.
A lot of people say, my vote is not important. If you were in politics you’d understand how important it is to prevent voting. In one election a particular area with over 25k voters ‘elected’ a representative who received 3,635 votes and the other, 3,300. Where were the votes? The Police had scraped up thousands of people and held them in custody beginning the night before until polls closed.
A few months later, during local, where the police were inactive, two counselors from a particular party garnered 15k and 12k each. The other party split the 3,635 votes.
So you, whether you want to appreciate or not. got Trump elected.
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OK. Following your logic: If by NOT voting, my vote went to Trump. Let’s say that’s correct.
Then … what I’m trying to say is that in other previous elections when I also DID NOT VOTE, then my vote also went to whoever won the election.
So since by not voting, somebody became president … and sometimes it was the candidate I thought would make a good president and sometimes it wasn’t … then by not voting … it still mattered what I did! Or rather … what I did NOT do.
I have lived through all the presidencies where I did not vote. None of those president stopped me from being an American. None of them made me want to leave my country. Every last one of them made decisions I did not agree with, even if it was a candidate I favored!! Hey! Can’t please everybody.
For all of that, America did not crumble like the Roman Empire (which is always predicted because of how sinful a people we are). I’m confident that I will survive Trump’s presidency too! (If God spares my life.)
I don’t have any high expectations of Trump making America great again. But I also don’t feel desperation, doom and despair and envision a future where Trump has ripped the fabric of America and torn the country apart, dividing US and causing another Civil War!
Oh please! It’s just Donald Trump. Who do people think he is? Thor, the thunder god or Zeus or something? Respectfully … back to you.
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In Jamaica, we sat on our votes, the JLP came into office. There was a very low turn out. In America it is clear the non-voters who ‘would have’ voted for Clinton but didn’t, thinking that their vote ‘didn’t matter’ proved it did.
Most people do not yet appreciate the Trump Presidency. For example, it is beyond question that at least 3x the crowd was at Obama’s inauguration, yet Trump and his troop can look straight in the camera and turn it obverse.
That a ‘spokeswoman’ can talk about ‘Alternative Facts’.
Of course Presidents have lied, but not so boldly. And of course there has always been attempts at mind control, but not as powerfully as today.
The attacks on the Press are especially scary.
The world is reassessing its relationship with America. It really is not business as usual.
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Of course, it’s just speculation on my part, but I’m not at all certain that the non-voters would have voted for Hillary Clinton. There were other candidates on the ballot.
Appreciate the Trump Presidency? At the rate things are going, I think “most people” are going to spend their time either arguing about it, protesting it – physically and “symbolically”, filing lawsuits about it, on and on and on. Whew! We are in for a rough 4 years.
Regards lies and mind control? Lying is one thing. Signing a lie into law is another. I say Trump can’t so easily do that! Mind control? What’s he gonna do? Hypnotize US?
That Trump ‘spokeswoman’ is unbelievable, isn’t she? And you know what? I actually think she believes the words that come out of her mouth! (O.o)
The attacks on the Press? From what I’ve seen of our American Press, they can take care of themselves. Don’t even think you’re going to shut them up! We have dedicated investigative reporters and journalists that are worth ten times their weight in gold. Historical note: It was our Press that broke the Watergate Scandal. Freedom of the Press is a very strong thread in our country’s tapestry.
The world is reassessing its relationship with America? Our allies ain’t going nowhere. They’re going to sweat out the next 4 years, right along with the citizens of this nation.
OK! I’m an optimist. Sue me! 🙂 😀 🙂
(Thanks for continuing to engage me in this conversation. I really need some place to get this off my chest.)
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I agree… that spokes woman and her ‘alternative facts’… that knocked me across the room. If there is a ‘vote’ to be taken, whether at the dining room table, or in a national election and you ‘abstain’, then whatever the majority choses, even if the ‘majority’ of voters is a minority, wins.
Now he’s stepping on the native Americans with the pipeline because he’s getting his kick back.
People want this to happen. They can’t shake their heads and say not me…
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During recent US Presidential elections, only 57.9% have voted and the remaining have not voted does not mean that the remaining are 42.1% are against Mr. Trump. So much so it is also not true that they are in favor of Hillary. This is the percentage of people who evinced little interest in the Elections.
Choosing a candidate for the post of President became a challenge for the U.S voters. They did not want to vote as a protest against Mr. Trump does not carry any meaning. In a Democracy, each and every voter is expected to avail the opportunity of voting. If he does not, it only disappoints the result of the Election. The Voter should be aware of it. If he is not, he must be made to known of the consequences it will have on the Election Result. The Government should educate the people in this aspect and try to see that as many voters exercise their voting rights as possible for a transparent result.
This clearly shows that the Government has not enlightened the U.S voters on this aspect and took any measures and was watching the campaigns and kept itself busy with the remarks and statements in the Newspapers.
The sector wise result will make result but not the number of votes. It is always there. Mrs. Hillary might have got number of votes than Mr. Trump but this is not the deciding factor. It is only the number of Segments that they have won in a sector that decides the winning candidate. So, it is not appropriate to say that Mr. Trump is not having any supporters and the election process itself is wrong.
Finally, it is not appropriate to say that many of the voters did not vote and were carried away by the remarks against Mrs. Hillary it implies that they are not favoring Mrs. Hillary and want to give an opportunity to Mr. Trump.
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When you don’t vote; unless it is a Tweedledee/Tweedledum then you effectively deny a vote to a candidate. When the voting is below 75% every vote not cast matters. It is a very simple equation.
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Looks like I’ve run out of space for additional remarks. Let’s finish this discussion in the group “Anything Over Coffee”. Have a humorous look at a humorous link I’d like to share with you. Started a discussion called “Trump Tweets – A continuing discussion”. It’s serious but I hope it makes you laugh too. 🙂
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Meant to start the discussion in one group (“Anything Over Coffee”) but noticed that it is in another group “Making Money Online” (a group that I don’t normally start discussions in). I would have preferred to have it in the group I mentioned. Nevertheless, since it’s there in that group, I am noting it here, just in case somebody comes here, then goes to the WRONG GROUP and can’t find the continuation of our discussion.
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I did find it odd it was in the wrong place… but did find it
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It’s my work habit. I am constantly clicking stuff and working in between tabs. You think you’re at one spot but you’re on another tab or in a new window in another spot. I sometimes have 10 to 12 tabs open at a time. My browser usually freezes all the screens and stops responding. Then I have close everything and start all over!
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I downloaded a little monitor which is at the top of my screen and when it goes to red I clear memory and shut windows.
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The end of the matter is: Mr Trump fought and won fair and square. Next time for the Liberal leftists, fight harder (within the Law) and vote.
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Let’s face it; the Lowest Common Denominator rules. The stupidest kid in the class controls the lesson, the slowest guy on the work floor controls the output, and Trump controls the minds of his supporters. People didn’t vote, and they got what the duck got.
We, in the rest of the world, are enjoying the show.
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Nice words. Quite entertaining. The mainstream media that has gone totalitarian with the far Left liberal-democrats are panicking. Their control of the “production of unaware and compliant citizenry” (Podesta’s exchanging words with Clinton camp)is quite revealing for an exposed ‘Master Plan’.
Yes, stupidity has really gotten out of hand with the Left.
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I must say I so agree with you on this. Even just attending mass and hearing a phone ringing is one rudeness to the high level, because at the start of the mass everyone is told to turn off their cellphones. Not only did you disrespect the mass and the clergy but also God himself, when you didn’t turn off that phone.
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I am amazed at anyone who could walk in with their phone on. The rudeness is incredible.
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There are so many and mean people this time regardless of age and gender all over the world.In school where I teach , so many students who no longer greet a teacher meet anywhere in the campus especially those whose grades are not better,of course, they are the one creating their grade.Teachers only teach and give them grades.Gone are those days when we always witness polite and respectful young and old.
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I think, making these children good mannered is also up to the teachers they interact with. The teachers should initiate in teaching them good manners and be inculcating within them what the teachers teach.
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We were taught, when I was in school, to stand if the Principal entered, to be polite to our teachers. This has gone away. Manners are not being taught and people bobble about in their own little worlds
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Yes, we are taught that too. And it means the teacher should be strict that this is being followed by the students. Sometimes, the teacher is to blame because they are lenient.
Rudeness should be corrected at the instance that a teacher observed a student does it.
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You are correct. How else would someone learn if they aren’t taught? How would a child know about manners if they were taught at home? The school has to insure this.
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The teacher should see to it that the students are well mannered. They are the authority in school and they should be followed.
Or maybe the school should impose good manners in every student make a strict implementation as to the violation being sanctioned if ever done by a student or even by the teachers.
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Silence is Gold as the saying goes. But, how long one should allow such people who bark in loud and stick to their own ideas without any reason. This is the ego problem. They can not be convinced. They do not accept. Even if one shows the proof with documentary evidence or practical proof they attributing the reason for some other thing and do not accept the mistake with their opinion or idea.
How to calm them down? This is one of the problems we come across in a society either with the people or in a group of friends.
The only way is to avoid them as the people say. But, just by avoiding these people we are allowing them to become made as they can not be in the company of anybody and
may suffer from mental illness which is not advisable.
What is the remedy then? The remedy lies in giving a patient hearing to such people reserving and analyzing our own views as sometimes the mistake lies with us also. In between the discussion try to ask him to give his opinion on the observation you have made after he stops speaking. This is the best way I have tried in a dynamic organization.-
The response is… silence and removal. I don’t need to argue with people who hold to a unsupported opinion which they become rabid about. They don’t want to discuss they want to expel their views.
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I won’t bother again to tell those people I have warned before over something that they insist they know better. These people knows that you are right but won’t budge to heed you because it would appear that you are better than them. They are arrogant and incorrigible , so why bother again , anyway.
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that is right. They know better… fine… make their own mistakes.
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Even me,I will not bother to argue with people,Its a waste of time.You will never win specially if you are dealing with bipolar or close minded people.Right they are arrogant and uncontrollable.They will never give you the chance to speak up,because they know that you now better than them.Just ignore and leave them. This is the right thing to do with this kind of people.
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Exactly. They think they know… fine… I am not arguing.
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LOL. I love that Jamaican expression! 🙂 I remember one of my brothers once said: “You know you can learn a lot from watching a fool. You can learn how not to be a fool!” 🙂 Similar to the point of your post.
Sometimes though, it’s hard not to argue back. It takes a great deal of self-control. But over the years I have learned how to restrain myself. That’s not to say I don’t let an outburst slip, every now and then. But if a person is worked up about something that they are to the point of arguing over it … try to listen to them. Their words may be harsh. They may be abrasive. But they might also be saying something that make sense! If they are just talking crap, then you can dump it from your brain. No point retaining it, if it’s useless! 🙂
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A friend of mine who had been under pressure suddenly went insane when discussing an international issue which did not effect us at all. I said nothing. When he finished I said nothing. My expression had not changed.
There is a difference in a discussion and an argument.
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What’s the point of arguing when you are never going come to a resolution. Don’t waste your time
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ALL THOSE TIPS ON HOW TO GET RID OF STRESS COULD BE POSSIBLE AND COULD BE APPLICABLE TO OTHER PEOPLE BUT, ONLY ONE THING I OBSERVE IS THE MOST EFFECTIVE TO ME. IT IS WHEN I TALK TO MY MOM AND TO MY SIBLINGS AND HAVE A STORYTELLING TIME WITH THEM.
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Most of the time stress comes when you are not with your family.
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To me , the biggest stress buster is praying . When i think that i will be in for a big stress , I stop working , drink a glass of water and take a momnet to pray . Also , food is also a big stress buster for me .
Honestly, i avoid stress . Before something will stress me , i get read for it.-
Praying can be very good…
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