May 23, 2016 at 9:32 am

@rapidblue You point out that the app rates both fairly good texts and really rotten ones the same. I mentioned that a really excellent text was dinged for so-called “over-used words” and none of these seemed to be egregious at all. What I am saying is that a computer app isn’t an English teacher or an editor (nor is the human moderator employed by some sites, by the way!)

As a native English speaker, I would recommend that non-English speakers place their primary emphasis on writing shorter, more straight forward sentences and on ensuring proper subject-verb agreement. The most common errors I see from my blogging friends (often even from native English speakers too) are difficult sentences that lead to incorrect punctuation, lack of agreement between the subject and verb, and a myriad of other errors in grammar and mechanics. Most of these issues are resolved with shorter sentences 🙂

If you like to have some sort of a check, I do suggest Hemingway because it’s visual and it allows you to correct and re-check the text. It doesn’t pick on diction so much, and wants you to make a text that people with a lower reading level will understand.

May 23, 2016 at 9:35 am

I learned about thst tool from one co-writer when we created a writing site two years back.  I have tried the tool and I think that it is truly helpful for writers. It allows us a room to improve our work.  It is like having a coach online.

May 23, 2016 at 5:56 pm

@ruby3881 that’s why I was trying to see what will happen if I fix my work with this program till the end. There was no reported mistakes, but whatever I done, that program rated it with no higher but B.

I think that it is because of the part of the app that is premium, but I can’t see it. So to lower the rating from the academic to blogging I lower the level of the required education on the front page to 9th grade.

With this level all my fixed texts were showing A rating, anything above it was automatically set to B grade no matter that there was no mistakes whatsoever.

I think that 9th grade could be enough for the blogging and it is pretty much in the level of the average to me, plus I doubt Google serps will go anywhere higher than that.

This is a sample of the text I fixed, PR rates it with A.

This is all correct, nevertheless the Google lacks an English teacher in it’s equation, and as my effort goes towards improving texts for the web and blogs I can easily apply the similar automation tools to achieve that.  

Numerous other web based tools and applications can amend writing skills. Maybe this particular application strikes as a bit demanding and rigid, again, what if it calculates correct and what if we can estimate the usability of one’s text just based on the rules it provides? 

According to grades I will assume that an application works better for the longer texts and not 300 web articles, however a problem remains that C grade equals anything, so it compromises the evaluation. 

I am sure that a notable writer would end up bashed by that interesting algorithm in the paper rater, in short, it provides a valuable insight for me and if I practice redundant, repetitive words in my work, I will find it faster with it. 

Hemingway app as a rudimentary text tool does not offer much, just a few staple ways how to improve, proofread and keep everything short, concise, almost anorexic, while paper rater has the numerous details to pay attention to.

You don’t need to be a rocket scientist to see a difference. If there is any mistake , please report and advise.

This is a result which was given by Hemingwayapp:

The Hemingwayapp tells me that the same sample is awful, now how should I calculate one with another?

Now, lets rate Kyla’s last blog post in here. As expected it is rated A, but even with the sliders half way on the various checkpoints, they don’t suggest what to do.

Hemingway, again disagrees, it rates it with good only, with more than one suggestion.

Maybe a sample was too long, let’s try with a similar length sample and only 200 words, like my comment up there.

Ok, with a Kyla’s shorter sample a program starts to list the same things like it does with my comment up there. Same things check out as a reason the sample is rated with B, not A. Probably it can scan it better if the text is shorter.

Obviously the paper rater is built for the longer texts but it does not list all things with these longish texts, so maybe it is better to analyse a smaller chunks of the texts to style and then submit the whole thing for the final analyses .

Paper rater is marked as an academic tool, so it is not an exact scientific method to prove if your text assumes all things required for the A rated internet article.

Hemingwayapp is good, but I don’t think it will lead you anywhere in particular.

May 23, 2016 at 6:06 pm

@jentleheart the good thing is that we can chose what we find attractive to use for our text. I would like to develop a little smoother style, so Hemingway app definitely doesn’t fit me.

For blogs it is good, easy to use, but not perfect.

I think that what I done with paper rater is far better than what I was doing back then when I used Hemingwayapp.

May 23, 2016 at 6:15 pm

Grammarly is yet another tool, but its usage is fairly limited and only with a premium plan ( $30 per month for one month plan, or best value yearly plan with $11.66 per month… pick your poison) you can get all.

The same sample in bold above gets this:

Aw, how nice…

May 23, 2016 at 6:26 pm

There is another proofreading tool that you can use and it is completely free; and every single free WordPress blog has a proofread tool integrated wit the suggestion base into their text editor : it looks like a check mark with ABC , you can’t miss it.

This free tool suggested me to change two things, the ‘web-based’ and ‘rater’.

I guess these are wrong things to use.

May 23, 2016 at 6:41 pm

To both of you, @rapidblue and @sunil, you have furnished us the rating in your perspective of finding those pieces of information on rating one’s post. They measure the quality of writing based on their own algorithm and by studying them, by familiarizing them you may cope with them. Thus, you will receive a corresponding pay for a corresponding “number of words” to write. In so doing, do you become a quality writer for that matter?

May 23, 2016 at 6:51 pm

@nakitakona13 the paper rater has nothing to do with how much you will get in LiteracyBase, this is a separate topic about a particular product/s about the proofreading, quality upgrades and so on.

Literacybase will pay you according to their algorithm, and once again it has nothing to do with this discussion.

If you have a tool to recommend please be free to list it, we all strive to improve like writers and blogger so any suggestion is more than welcome.

Please elaborate the last sentence, I don’t understand what you mean.

May 23, 2016 at 8:34 pm

@nakitakona13  Sorry but I have not provided any rating to anyone anywhere but I have only given you the rates paid by one of the writing site that pays to its members.

May 24, 2016 at 2:09 pm

For today, I will try to make 600 words long  enhanced article with the listed tools. I haver it written but I will try to smooth it up with the help of Grammarly, Paperrater, Textalyser and Hemingwayapp.

I will come later and list what I made, hopefully, my article will be published fast so I will also have a quote on it by today.

May 24, 2016 at 5:39 pm

@rapidblue I can see why you got such a high grade level rating! To be very honest, the longer your posts and comments, the more difficulty I have in following your train of thought. I can understand the basic meaning of the sentences – though your diction is often too technical or academic, and frequently I lose the meaning in your metaphors.

I would reiterate my earlier advice: focus on writing shorter, grammatically correct texts that a native English speaker will understand. Work on a simpler choice of diction and on being less figurative, more literal. The improvement in clear, but I’m more lost now when I read you than I was before you started to work on improving your writing skill.

And this is the thing the automated tools can’t give you: none of them can read for MEANING. They can only rate you based on an algo. They can’t tell you if a human reader would be able to follow your text.

May 24, 2016 at 6:55 pm

@ruby3881 can you be more literal and point an exact sentence that you don’t understand. It will help me and other non-native writers huge.

I am so glad that you follow the advice that you give others, sometimes it would be hard to estimate what you mean without reassurance in your own work.

For a start, can you please point on the grammatical mistakes in a bold sample text, the diction, and figurative speech as well.

That sample is 200 words long only, it is not an Amazonian rainforest. I am sure you will manage.

Thanks!

May 24, 2016 at 7:10 pm

Problem #1

Transition words: if you want to blend more data into one sentence, you have to use there.

Link: https://msu.edu/~jdowell/135/transw.html

Usage: erm, now we will need a native to elaborate… or a  big sample book

May 24, 2016 at 7:12 pm

Recommendation #1

To avoid the typo, grammar etc mistakes, use Grammarly free extension for Chrome. It si fabulous and it marks not only typos but many other things in a  real time.

It doesn’t work with Google Drive Documents. Sorry.

May 24, 2016 at 7:17 pm

Advice: your text is a product, not your baby. Treat it like that. If somebody rates it low – no matter if it is a computer program – take it to the next level and ask more data, find more resources.

If your product is not good enough , it won’t sell. You readers are not emotionally connected to your work, they just read it and seek only the useful informations.